Dobbo and Brannas get Real about the Stormers' Crucial Stretch | Lekker Rugby Pod

This is the Lekker Rugby Pod, only on Megaphone Rugby. Welcome everyone to the Lekker Rugby Pod. We are very blessed today to have two outstanding guests all at the same time. One of the guys is someone you know very well. He is a senior John Dobson.

He was born free in the free state. But he's a slave to fashion. What you don't know about John Dobson, Dobbo, is that he's actually a fashionista. And people wonder also whether he was technical enough in rugby. Jeez, man, the guy was a technical director at Rome for the fashion.

And then he was a technical advisor to Kevin Foote, KES guy in 2011 for the Ikees. And then won the varsity cup. So, jeez, I think he's technical enough. He's written about the year of the Gherkin, the year of the Turnip. Next is the year of the Narchi.

And alongside him, alongside Bobo, he's going to be a guy who's almost as old as him. Actually, this man was playing sevens when Marcus Muller was born. You know him, we love him as Branis Dion Ferry. And Envia, of course, my partner in crime, loves him because he was born in Pretoria. Dion obviously has played at eight, at six, at two, probably at nine.

But he's never better luck. If you combine Paul de Villiers and him together, you would have a luck. Welcome, fellas, gentlemen, Dabo and Dion. Hi, Harry. Thanks for the introduction.

Oh, thanks, Harry. Actually, I played Scrum Off when I was in grade 7 for the provincial B team. So I have Scrum Off under the belt as well, if you have to. Yeah, and you were a gymnast, so that's near and dear to Norman Laker's heart, right? Wasn't he a little gymnast boy?

Yeah. So I watch you now around the breakdown, and it's actually interesting. It occurred to me, Dion, that probably in your career, several things that were illegal are now legal and things that were illegal now it weren't legal in the bar so how do you keep up with the breakdown laws about swinging around the gates and such yeah yeah i think back in my days they were still allowed to to ruck you out of the boots so it was always your battle scars off the game playing a game to see how many stripes you have on your back then you know if you had a good game or not now yeah that's that's not allowed and uh yeah the rack i think the game is getting so fast sometimes i feel for the refs to to make those split second decisions uh but uh yeah i think the most the biggest thing is how you handle the ref and how you see the ref uh seeing the game at that on that day yeah and you do talk a lot to the ref always very politely i notice um what do you try to get from a ref early early days in a match yeah i just i just try to let him feel my presence so i can have a conversation so when when i go for the balls to steal the ball uh i'm in back in the back of his head so i always say nice nice words to him so i get the 50 50 call um but i must say in my younger years i wasn't that nice to riffs uh i remember at a stage i'll play the game on a saturday and then on a sunday the ref will phone me so we can just talk about how how we uh at our conversation on the field just to just to smooth that out so and the next week you blew again and then it was smooth sailing yeah yeah our friend franz malherbes said told me that he has very nice long chats during the scrum with his ref and he asked rhetorical questions like philosophical questions like what is the scrum what is a bind um so obviously you bring a lot of energy which uh from your return back to the stormers this season it looks like you've upped the ante um how do you choose which breakdowns and don't reveal any ip here but you know a lot of this as a as an open sider as a as a junkyard dog jackal you've got to pick which fights you join you know how is that happening it looks like you have less than a second to decide i think it comes with a bit of experience i think uh i learned i learned to like like preempt to see stuff happen before that happens so i when a guy falls i can i see before like beforehand like he's gonna fall awkwardly or not in a way that their structure is um stepping inside out of structure for them and then their cleaners will be late and that's where i see the opportunity so i always try to pre-empt um the the ball carrier or how the play is going to evolve to to get that guy isolated so yeah it's mostly mostly through almost 400 games of playing rugby that you um you see see those pictures happening actually before they're happening that becomes sort of an instinct at some point yeah 100 instinct like i say i don't know my my second vision i always i i just see the guy like falling out of system right if i can say like that so always if they're in structure uh the cleaners will always be there and cleaners will be there quick but as soon as the guy just steps inside or make make a tip pass or offload that's where that's where the lights go on and and that's out of structure for them and that's where that's that's we only need that half a second of a window to get your hands on the ball. Obviously, Dobbo loves you because you're a hooker. He was a hooker.

He likes to have at least five or six hookers in the team. Dobbo, obviously these jackal stats, which Stormers are leading the world in actually, a lot of that depends on double tackles and dominant tackles. I mean, it's a lot easier to jackal off of a dominant tackle. And it looks like to me when I look at some of the sides of sides, it's your light years ahead of everyone else on dominant tackles. What's explaining that?

How are you making that happen? Are you feeding other carriers into the kill zone? Is it just a matter of guys like Ben Jason Dixon having no fear of pain? What's happening? Actually, if I could just jump on that.

It's always nice to have guys around you that, like I was just thinking about him, guys that chops, that no regret for his body, and they just low tackle and eat the guy. and that's where the opportunity is. I think most of the European sides, they try to tackle up high and try to keep Oaks up to make them all. And then the opportunity as a Jackass is very difficult, but we are fortunate. I'm fortunate to be in a team that just chops, just BJ's, Adre, Ruben, Nietling chops low as well.

So that makes the window for Steel so much easier. yeah it's interesting because uh both the scottish teams glasgow and edinburgh are the highest tackling what i mean is they tackle the most above the waist in the whole world 40 teams it also means that their missed tackles are very low they tend to grab a hold of something but it's hard to get over the ball and it's hard to do counter-racking when you're up high like that yeah i think they know now for their choke tackles and they've hurt us a couple of times at scott's tune glasgow in particular and there's like every like every element directly you you there's a down there's a dark side to every light isn't there so you know if we're going to put a guy approach her in and he gets cleaned out and that's what i like about dion's decision making like paul de villiers people said jeepers where was he two years ago two years ago he was being somersaulted you know he was just being cleaned out and then you've lost the number anyway now he's learned the ability to stay in and identify his his breakdowns the thing with the choke they hold you up and they use i think they use a thing called time spent so they will grade those two guys let's say me and diana making the the high tackle they will grade how long we can stay in there to slow in the ball the dark side it is if we can get in what we call surf if you can tackle these guys away and hurt them and you'll get momentum and you'll get fastball so it's a bit of a risk and reward thing that we felt like a couple of years ago with a couple of high shots because that's the one thing if you're standing upright and you do clash heads you're a little bit of risk there but uh if we but if we passive in our carry or passive in our clean that can be really damaging for us so that's a different challenge for that yeah it's interesting because the tackle fight can be defined both ways in one case you know you're sort of evan ru is saying i'm staying in the fight so long that i bring more people committed on the other hand um if i'm a defender then i want to keep you churning in some ways so that other guys can can re can fold um so looking at this right now obviously there's opportunities the scrum your scrum has been mighty all season um it's difficult though sometimes around the adjudication which is can a referee tell you to use a ball when you're still moving the other team you know at what point couldn't you scrum when someone 100 meters isn't that possible under the rules we actually we actually had a chat to um some of the national coaches if you were to chat to felix i mean i think it's something that applies to the spring box as well Well, yeah, the shape of the game conference, I'm sure you've covered, was a massive moment of rugby across South African rugby. And I think it sounds like we've mostly got wins. It sounds like they're gonna stop these guys pulling and swimming around the mall, and they gonna be allowed to scrub But what really drives me to mentor is when a referee says use it and it under the locks feet we can use it um we physically can use it and maybe we don want to uh we if someone number eight feet and it's not going anywhere but these guys are so quick to use it i think it's important for the spirit for the south african rugby uh and all this because the top three scum engine franchise in the urc are three south african teams uh and i'm not sure with the line but i know it's in terms of we i think harry we mentioned well we do measure scrum different scrum penalty differential as the as as the as our sort of yardstick and uh i you know i know we've got the most but when the referee i think you're plus i think a plus 21 double and for example glasgow is minus 15 so it's a massive delta so that's a big thing for us but if it frustrates us when they shot play away too early or the other team's gone down to avoid a contest but the balls are the back and he's playing well we said that the only reason we haven't got any dominance on them because their props lying on the ground so it's still not perfect but this play this use it when it's not at the number eight feet is really frustrating and it's across it's not just a stormous thing i reckon applies also freaking teams and it's going to apply to the spring box later in the year just idea on you at the open side you're right there by the ref just when he says use it saying we are using it we're using it to make the other guys squeal and want their mommies. So, you know, this is rugby.

I hate that they're acting like this is not using it. When it's under your locked feet and you're going forward, theoretically, you could just keep going forever if you want, no? You can see on some games on the flank when something happens, I point out to the ref and I tell him what's wrong and then most of the time we get the penalty. But I think it helps a bit because I've also played in front of this. I know a little bit more than And you should thank that.

But not all. I don't know everything. Speaking of that, you know, I was literally in the World Cup final. We're standing right next to Stacey Mbonambi and Childe. Bongi goes down.

And obviously, she's just worried about, you know, the man of the house. And gives the Childe to us to carry. I was thinking from your standpoint, you were like, Jesus, ready? Right now? Ready?

I'm going on? How scary was that? No time to think. No, no time to think. Everything happens so fast.

I've mentioned it before as well. The plan was for me never to go on, even in the final. I spoke to Rassi during a warm-up and he told me because he went with a 7-1 split, chances of me going on is slim because we need to keep someone on the bench. If the back is injured, then Kouag will move to wing and stuff like that. I always just plug that last hole if something happens.

And then that plan went out the window in the first three minutes. that's such a confidence builder when a coach says you know our plan today is that you're not going to go I'll give you another I'll give you another coach I think I spoke to Russi a couple of months before the World Cup and we were once toying with putting runners on the bench just in the URC level the season before the World Cup I said the coach we can't risk that and then when Russi said I said listen you know if you're not going to take what is it if Bongi goes down in three minutes you'll be stuffed do you know what I mean and so I had no faith and he he gets it it was brilliant that no it's wonderful to the vicissitudes of rugby is that you can plan all you want uh dabo and then suddenly everything has changed uh just briefly and i don't want to get you know to to bring down the vibes and all this gotta be one of the hardest weeks um of your life as a human and probably one of the hardest weeks your life for sure uh brownis is a rugby player i know just from looking at some of your socials that you were very close to chippy and um and that he's a friend to be well beyond the idea of someone working in an organization uh you may have you know spent everything all your energy in speaking this already but i wanted to give you a chance to just discuss that um and and uh and tell us a little bit about chippy the man not so much the rugby no it was really tough i think when leonora phoned me uh that saturday morning yeah it was very emotional and stuff yeah like chippy us i've i was i'm playing 20 years now 21 years and i've been overseas seven years so let's say 14 years i've seen this man for every day i spoke to him every day i probably spoke more to him than my my dad my my biological dad because i saw him every day spoke every day to him so i don't speak to my dad every day probably once a week or once in two weeks when when i was playing down in cape So he really became like a father, what he stands for, what he meant for his team and meant for everyone. I think, like you know Harry, he could use ass words to you, but just in an instance, he'll change, he'll be a different man and it'll always help. So I think that void will never be filled. I think his presence will always be there.

Yo, Adobo, it's interesting when you have a guy who's got the right combination of someone who's a bit scary. You want him to respect you. If he says he's disappointed in you, it kills you. But at the same time, a hug, a warm word, Chippy was all that, no? Yeah, you summed it up.

Him and I fought all the... It could be all sorts of swears. and i could have more but yeah i know i know you you're part of it and you experience with that guy you know we get a lot of credit for the stormers for the culture but i think you know i think he was such a bedrock of it because he transcended so much uh you know with like i think i said to you in the messier from just where he came from yeah through uh from a group apartheid to democracy from being changing lives in in westridge to what he did now changing lives here from amateur to professional but just i don't know i've never got time for anybody you know like i'm busy and we have to make time and then i mean and not present you know i'm thinking okay after this we've got to go up to chibi i mean you you chatted to him he had time he's running a professional team about to play european game in in kberga that thing and he had time and he he honestly i'm not gonna they will it will never be the same for the stormers just because of the giant of the giant to the man he was and i think some of the thing that uh that sort of irritated me a bit we we threw the conoch game away and you know it's a bounce of a ball that's not a motion of chippy or intercept that's not a motion of chippy but i think we're going to reflect in time at runners that was incredibly tough you saw you asked sasha feinberg omazula to go from howling to with what i reckon 15 seconds when the referee kicks off after he's howling it was it was horrendous so giant of a man and we're really appreciative of you and a couple of other people who've acknowledged what that comment and what i thought was really cool sorry i'll give a long answer we often get involved in rugby and we hate we hate envy and the bulls or we hate uh you know we get this but the way that rugby world united around should be maybe proud to be associated with the sport when you see ulster leinster having a minute oh sorry but bigger pardon um yeah also having a minute silence or chippy's image up in parker scarlet's um or on the day of the quarter final which was the day that should be died on the main story on the epcr website chippy honors chippy solomon that was rugby at its very best but yeah for us it's been a bit of a battle i don't know if you saw brunner's speech on at the funeral amazing yeah yeah i didn't i didn't like that you made me cry so much brunner's um uh listen this is a game for tough guys but also So in a locker room, you're really real with people. Obviously, I was in your locker room seeing how people raise their hand and they take responsibility for losses. And the longer you live, the more losses you have.

This is the sum total of life, Brannis. You've been around a lot, so you've lost a lot. Relationships, you lose people. I think there's something wonderful about rugby and how we celebrate the people that we've lost and we never change. and so bringing just to interrupt a bit I just learned because Brunners has been through I don't know how many coaches here coaches come and go you know at some stage I'll go almost lose it through but he it's almost like a church and state you know we the state we drop players or we select players there's this constant which is the you know and that's unappreciated we think rugby manager logistics book the hotel room but it's much more than that he's independent of us as coaches Yeah, it's amazing just to wrangle a few kids and a family.

Imagine you dragging around 50 man children giant things Nagging and just wanting stuff for free Yeah So turning our attention now to the next game which is always also part of life isn it Branagh I mean, you mourn, you grieve, you exult, you celebrate, but then you play, you know, and you go right back in. I know you're not playing this week, but what do you see now for Glasgow? They come back from Ellis Parker, but her team, they've got a proper team named here. they got Dempsey, Tupoloto, Hugh, the handsome stormer, they got the two Kyles, Kyle Steyn and Kyle Rowe, you know, what do you see they're brewing? No, it's the top of the log, top of the log for a reason as well, so we must be respectful of that as well.

Yeah, I think, like you say, they're hurting, loss against DeLon at home, then the Lions, quite a big score. Franco is a proud man as well, so I think he'll definitely rally the troops up for this weekend. So I think it's going to be a great clash of two desperate sides to get on top of the URC log. Do you approach this, guys, like a knockout game effectively? Not really.

I think there's a process to it. uh we know what's our end goal and that's just a step to it uh so i don't think we can you can put too much emotion uh in it to see it as a quarter final uh because it isn't there's still a lot of record to play but i think for us it's just to just to stick to our structures uh for the 80 minutes and i think the then the result will take care of itself i think we we were in the game against Konach for 67 minutes, 64 minutes and then three lapses of concentration and we lost that game by almost about two tries. So yeah, just to do that for 80 minutes, that's the goal to stick to plan for 80 minutes. Looked at the top six teams in points differential in the IRC, as we call it, and Glasgow carries the most, we carry the least, Stormers, and then they kick the least and Storm has kicked the most. So you have two clashes of styles, which I always love.

I love boxing fights where you have a boxer versus a puncher. Is there opportunity here though, in some ways, to flip the script? Don't reveal any of your plans here, but in some ways, if you do exactly the opposite, sometimes they can surprise somebody. Yeah, probably they kick the least because they're playing Glasgow most of the time. The wind is blowing the whole time, so they can't kick.

So that's why they run. But no, like I said, we try to bunker down on what worked for us, what's our strengths. I think it will be cynical to try and do something completely different with three round-robin, three league games left before the knockouts. You want to do what you do best and try to do it for 80 minutes. And yeah, I think if all 23 guys that's playing is at their best for 80 minutes, I don't think there's a team that can stop us.

There's been a lot of stick online, Dobbo, about keeping Gaza on the wing. He's moved now to 15, where he's one of the best fullbacks in the world, in my opinion. Was that something more building for the future, to have an ability to hybrid or the ability to react to cards and such? um look i'll tell you the logic of it the first yeah it was logical yeah so we felt against edinburgh harry and uh and then it was similar in toulon we felt both worked the contestable game now we got a guy called steve morrison from um he coached richmond in the afl and we thought i won't give too much away you know a lot was trying to teach us how to catch because we've seen teams aren't kicking long anymore you've seen some of those french tries where dupont picks up scrap and passes to balbario and scores the transition is actually coming around the contestable kicking game and damien is magic in the contestable kicking game so he look he's such a good he's a great stormer he'll play anywhere for the team but we thought that you know we wanted to be really good around contestables and put the teams under pressure because the teams have stopped kicking long to us now we're a transition team over the days are then kicking long on tamani and warwick are gone and it's going to be the scraps around the contestable and that's what Damien was it was really effective for us it was effective against Edinburgh it was magic against Toulon and people are going to laugh now it was really good against Connacht we had a 75% versus 0% return on contestables and our defence we didn't lose the game there we lost the game through other areas so it worked well it isn't fair to Damien we have to know he's going to be a springbok in that position so we joined the line we said that's our contestable plan for these three games and he did it I know it hasn't landed well out there but I think fullback wing interchangeable Gaza wanted right plan for the team lost two of the three games but I think nobody can argue in Toulon where we won every single scrap last week where we won every single scrap it did work it didn't work in terms of the result of the game but to be fair to him we're moving back now because as you say he's one of the world's best fullbacks but I have to say that's very popular so it doesn't make you very popular when you criticise the people on social media and then you lose it's game on then isn't it yeah the sword the sword is not even in the same field as the pin or the keyboard yeah and the quickest ball obviously is the bouncing scrap ball off of a kicker chain yeah and it's funny at the World Cup I ran into Greg Laidlaw of all people the great Scottish nine and it was post box beating Scotland 18-3 I think it was and Finn Russell had the ball forever He had so much ball. They had lots of phases.

They carried much more. But Greg said to me, we had to kick more because that's the quickest ball. And we couldn't develop any quick ball against the Springboks. It's fascinating, actually, to think about it that way because fans hate it sometimes. No, I don't kick.

But it's literally the way you can create a fractured defense. Yeah, I think Felix Jones from the box, he goes in every stat and everything. he looks at 100 games and stuff and then before that world cup he went through all the games and he i did five i can't remember all five but one one of them was the kicking if you win the kicking stat the probability of you winning that game is 80 so if you win all those i can't i can't remember all five but one was kicking i think gain line maybe was one i can't remember the others but he He said, if you win those five areas, the chances of winning the game is 80-85%. So you can look at all the stats. Teams that win kick the most.

But if they lose but they kick the most as well, then people criticize them because they kick too much. But if they win and they kick too much, then it's happy-go-lucky. But, yeah, unfortunately, kicking game, it's a big part of territory. And the only thing you can put pressure on the other team is bunking down in their half. Yeah, it's interesting.

I looked at the stats on retention, on kick retain, and you guys are actually leading that. It's about a quarter. So one in four kicks that you kick, you get back. And some of those kicks were exits and territory. But just that's a phenomenal stat because, you know, the time, the hard work it takes to get 20 meters through phase, phase, phase, phase, clean, clean, clean, compared to one kick get, it's all the money.

On social media, and I don't want to get bogged down on this, but it's interesting. I talked to a guy named Ned Hannigan once from Australia, and he got horrific abuse online early in his career, and it stuck to him. And, you know, over the time, he proved that he was a tough guy for the Wallabies. It wasn't what they thought he was. But it's interesting, why do some players get targeted and some players don't, if that makes sense?

And then what the way to do with it, because sometimes if you protest it, then it's worse. And it's a conundrum now in today's world. What do you do with it? you know uh i hate it it's so rude to pick on someone's personality versus their game it's all fair game to play you know someone doesn't kick well someone is fine but why do they go off you know mentality or question someone's uh bravery yeah i think the the scary part of today's world social media is that you can't hide from it because people just tag you and you get the notification and you see on your phone so it's not like it's not like you don't want to see it it just it pops up in your face. And yeah, I think it's I think as most players will say it doesn influence him But I been through that in my young career as well It leaves a scar and things don go bad That the first image you see is that comments and stuff.

And then you're down and downward spiral. But I think only the experience and time will help you and teach you to almost sweat on the podcast. Don't give them a feel there. That's okay. We said a few bad words on here.

Don't worry. I watched something like I said I got it wrong last. I meant what I said last week. Obviously losing the game. Look at a guy like Samar Murat.

You've seen it. He's so respected. He writes checks. His body struggles to catch. He's so committed.

We played four games in a row last year. I think we had to win all four to get top eight or something like that. and he goes two men in the matches one player's player in the match he writes and now he goes people write good riddance so not far enough or i i can't begin to understand it you know what what causes people to hate someone to give service to this team i just don't understand i can't i understand okay listen he could be better we've got no problem with that but it's literally bile poured a lot of guys giving his heart and soul to this team it staggers me. It's pressing. Yeah, it is.

And, you know, if you want to have an example and copy someone as a father, as a son, as a brother, as a worker, someone would be near the top of the list. Yeah, 100%. Far boy is high, crosses communities, you know, from the, he crosses communities, backgrounds, languages, religion, and a thousand percent a stormer. And he wants to leave suffering, though. It's miserable.

on the bright side of this you have such young players now i mean i'm just looking at the 23 and marcus muller is 18 years old i was joking about when he was born marco that's really he's born in 2007 i mean what yeah like how is that even possible i asked him today um if he was born in stellenbosch because i was at the university back then maybe i'm playing with my son marcus I am your father. No, it's interesting. Emi Khan, Yuri, these are young guys. You know, what's it like to balance that energy? In normal life, you wouldn't necessarily be playing a game together, you know, at your age and their age.

No, no, I think if you just look at schoolboy rugby at the moment, it's mind-boggling how those guys or kids are looking and playing these days at schoolboy level. just thinking about when I was at school I think I only started gymming when I was in matric because we had to and then you stopped yeah then Skogbergert taught me when I played with him he said when he's starting to sweat in the gym you know you have to stop you and Corbis can trade dad jokes now for the team so one of the big secrets or mysteries I have is how can we make Andre Hugo Fenter smile and be happy that's one of life's mystery questions that you'll never get answered we started calling him angry Hugo Fenter that's what we call him yeah he gets teased the most at anybody in the team, he's got no friends He's not very good. He gets on all this time. Only got one emotion and that's angry. Yes.

I tell you, though, he's having a hell of a season, don't you think? No, he's playing well. I think he wants to make that next step up. I think he's hungry for that. So the other big question we have is JJ Koza or Kubis Rana.

Who has the best beard? If Kubis let it go, I think Kubis is nice. and I'll give it to him because of age. Yeah, but he's looking like a prison break man right now with a shaved head. He looks, he's trying to look scary.

Also not another normal human being. He's not normal. Classic old school. Yeah. Listen, guys, I know you have a lot of things to do and I think you have a sleepover planned or something.

You guys are really bearing down on this. We don't want to hold you back, but it's absolutely lucky to have you on and talk about the season. And just give us a closing word, Dobbo. What does it look like for you as the squeaky bum part of the season is here, the business end? What are you looking for these next few weeks?

Yeah, it feels a bit like that. I think that Conor, like, you know, it's the old one, isn't Harry? And then they asked Mrs. Lincoln after Abram had been shot by John Wilkes Booth in the theatre, other than what happened to Abram, how was the show? you know um it's a bit it's a bit like uh yeah that so what i mean is i'm talking about the kind of defeat there was a hell of a big blow for us rugby wise we know what happened um now it feels squeaky bums about the exact thing because you know i think look i think other results means we are in the playoffs but you know we're not we had this opportunity and we have this opportunity to have hosted all the way through last week put us under massive pressure because lindster got a good running uh we know tomorrow's a nine point swing we got a two four g's on a friday night places we haven't won so it really feels like you know it just feels like it's looming the waves the waves getting big on us now um you know i think you'd love to win all three and try and get a make sure we could host a final uh we have to make sure we try and get top two and that means unfortunately given the the eight or ten point swing of the glasgow game uh that means we have to win that and at least one other um we'd love to win all three but um you know we're not there yet it'll be a real i don't want to be fear-based but it'll be largely somewhere south of cataclysmic for us if we've gone from where we are because we've never been in this position before we've always sort of charged right at the end if we were not to host a quarterfinal and semi-final or go away for a quarterfinal now i would be terrible um but i do think you know i think the emotion of chippy we are not front of foot now we got a bit lighter um jd shickling's a massive loss for us but ruben's back someone's back a few guys so now we have to charge yeah i think what we would i'd like to finish now is make sure we're top two so we can host the semi um if we get a bit something better than that but but it feels anxious now that's the truth yeah man thanks guys i'm a famous fan boy i have no objectivity around the stormers uh all my proper potting goes away uh much love to you guys and uh just take it you know let's go harry we showed i'm not being sycophantic for you to go we really know you're one of us but we really we showed the team your tribute to chippy and uh so it meant something to you there were a few wet eyes in the team room so yeah thanks envy as well thanks for the humanity around that because what frustrated me but last week yeah people slated us for connor fair enough but also there's a more there's a bigger picture and a more humane side that's more important than that.

So thanks for sharing that. Absolutely. Cheers, guys. Cheers. Thanks, guys.

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